i agree with you puro, though i'm afraid my opinion will not be taken seriously by the "99%" of the traditionalists here, based solely on the fact that i am a lars smoker. lars cigars are cigars. there's no way around it. you can't say that just because it smells kinda funny and that it's different that it's not a cigar. that's too vague of a statement, like saying this item is painted red, instead of blue, and it's shaped kind of funny, so it can't be a car, although it has 4 tires, a few doors, and engine, and all of the rest of the essential parts that a car would have. lars cigars are made with tobacco, and rolled, i mean, what else would define a cigar? the construcion on these babies is as good, if not better than most of the cigars out there. and the draw is impecable. the appropriate thing to do, instead of kissing the admin's ass by agreeing with what ever the admin says, is to just stay out of the discussion if it involves a cigar that you don't like. don't bash brands. don't bash members, since this is such a peaceful family. and edgar, your "non lars" post, has done either one of two things, as i sit here, pondering, speculating, conspiracy theorizing; you got what you wanted, whether subconsciously or consciously, which was to talk about lars gars, or, you got exactly what you didn't want; a discussion on lars, and recent current events surrounding the cigar. i preffer the former to the latter. i think deep down inside, you're really longing to smoke lars, or maybe you have smoked lars already, but for fear of rejection and humiliation, you refrain from starting the habit, or continuing, if not in a locked basement with an air purification system, huddled in the corner, cowering over you're favorite lars cigar, dreaming of a day in which you can overcome your fears and anxiety, and if the world and the smaller community of cp have relaxed their traditionalist grip on the members, to come out and enjoy your hobby, in the open without persecution. good luck!