I remember watching him play the last month of '05-'06 season thinking he needed a lot of time in the minors. This couldn't have happened to a better person in my mind. All around good teammate. Plus an excellent role model for the young, smaller kids that think they will not be able to play at a competitive level because of their size. What a story!!!!
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Sweetrice80
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x2 I don't know about you guys, but i felt this was a "down year" statistically for MLB. Maybe its because of all the doping has leveled off a bit. Who knows, I still love baseball and everything about it. :thumbs:
MoeCizlak
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Kind of an odd year in both MVP races. The most successful team in the AL didn't have one person that stood out but was more of a team effort, which is good to see. Pedroia seems the best candidate in the AL, but I can't agree with Pujols as the NL choice. Yes, he had a monster year stat-wise but due to a strong finish to the season, winning 6 straight to close the season, they finished 10 games above .500 and 11 back of first place. How much worse off would they have been without Pujols? I would agrue that Sabathia meant more to his club's success than Pujols did to his. Sabathia won 11 of his 17 starts with a filthy 1.65 ERA and helped his club, known for late season collapses, make the playoffs. He had yet another disappointing post season but the award is voted on for regular season performance. Just my opinion though and congrats to the winners.
HenrysCigar
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Next to Utley, my next favorite second baseman. He must be the hardest swinging baseball player ever.
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It's a good arguement no doubt, but I don't think Sabathia should get it for the same exact reason you say that he should.
The award is for the regular season peformance...not the post season. He only played in 17 games. Yes he won 11 of them, lost 2, and 5 undecided....but you can't give the MVP award to a guy who joins a team on 6 July and plays in 17 games...you just can't.
I can see a much stronger arguement for a guy like Howard.
But either way, as a Cardinals fan, I think they made the right choice :laugh:
:laugh:Sorry, Joe, I don't think he deserved it as much as Joe Mauer. Mauer was the anchor to the Twins pitching staff that ended the year with all five starters under the age of 27. You can arguably say that he was the most valuable member of the Twins because of that, that and leading the league in hitting as a catcher again. How many have done that? Pedroia had the luxury of having Manny, Ortiz, Youkalis, Drew, and Bay hitting behind him during the season in Fenway Park, which turns out that it's the Hitter's Paradise that we always thought it to be.
The MVP vote is usually decided by statistics, see Pujols, instead of what the award should be about, how valuable was the player to the team and how well that team performed. No doubt Pujols was important to his team, yet the Cards still finished in 4th place.
Another award should be created, it should be the Player of the Year, to recognize the monster year that a guy like Pujols put up.
The MVP vote is usually decided by statistics, see Pujols, instead of what the award should be about, how valuable was the player to the team and how well that team performed. No doubt Pujols was important to his team, yet the Cards still finished in 4th place.
Another award should be created, it should be the Player of the Year, to recognize the monster year that a guy like Pujols put up.
Brickhouse
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I could get on board with that. It does seem a bit "off" when a player wins the MVP but the team is worthless. Or maybe they should just stop calling it MVP all together and call it "Player of the Year". It would cut down on the arguements about the whole thing.
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So you are pretty much saying a pitcher will never have a chance for the MVP. Unless they go something like 30-0? Pitchers have somthing other ball players on a given team do not, they have the ability to make the whole pitching staff better, which in return makes your team better. How so? Lets use Sabathia for an example. If he would to pitch against any given team, there is a good chance if things are tight and close with the Playoff race, Sabathia is going to pitch against the other teams best pitchers. Which gives, the staff to face against some middle level pitchers. Its sort of a trickle down effect. I rarely see teams successful without one "Ace". There are expections to this rule, Like Cleveland with Cliff Lee, awesome year, team really sucked offensively. When Sabathia was in cleveland before the trade, he led the league in the most games he lost by one run. I just think that, Baseball now days is all about the power, the hits, the steals, but remember, pitching is what wins. Without pitching the team has nothing. Look at my beloven Yakees, Spend millions on offense of power hitters and not enough in pitching.
I bet Yankees would of had 2 or 3 more World series under their belt if they had spend all their money on the pitching staff, and filled their line up with a bunch of young guns. However problem with that is, Offense sells, pitching does not. When you spend 300 million every year on your pay roll I guess you got to get the players that will sell. My long and thought out .02.
David
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In this case I was talking about CC because he joined that team in July and only appeared in 17 games. I don't think it would be right to give it to a guy who, although very valuable to the teams late success, only played in a fraction of the games.
I just can't see giving the Most Valuable Player award to a guy who appeared in 10% of the teams games and had a hand in winning 7%. Remember, it's regular season only. Can you really give a guy the Most Valuable Player award for having a hand in winning 7% of the teams games?
I don't think it would be fair to the Pujols', Howard's, Sorano's, etc..., the guys who are out there every game (minus injuries) contributing significantly on both the offensive and defensive side.
But to reply back to your comment, I do think it's very hard for a pitcher to get the MVP and it's probably not fair that it is that way, but it is. I don't think they'd have to go 30-0, but it would certainly have to be a hell of a year in order to be selected over the big name offensive guys that normally receive the award.
Right or wrong, that's the way it is.
How valuable was Lee to his team though? He had a phenomenal year but his own output did nothing for his teams improvement for the post season. The Indians were never a contender at any point throughout the year. K-Rod would be a better pick.
I do think the MVP should be an everyday player not a pitcher.
That's why they have a Cy Young award.
