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Hygrometer question and reliability

McPhenius

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I am new to the forums and so far enjoyed the information I've seen. I am also new to cigars and just got my 200 count humidor two weeks ago (a neighbor gave me 100 cigars from her dad's shop and I got 100 from the place I got the humidor from.

It came with a digital hygrometer and I wasn't aware of salt & bag test at the time. So I just popped it in after wiping down the inside and letting it sit overnight.

The hygrometer read 73-74% inside the humidor.

I also decided to get a travel humidor and ordered one that had a analog hygrometer. That didn't last, but a few days. I found after wrapping a towel around it, I got it to 99% about. Then it went down to 50 and stayed there. I tried turning the screw, it would spring back to 50. Why is this?? So I turned and turned and it turns with no problem, but stays wherever I put the needle. 30%, 75%, 90%. So I figure it's shot.

So I found a small "Reindeer" digital hygrometer that looks like a small cigar. By now, I've heard of the salt test, so I decide to test it and my bigger digital that came with my original humidor.

After the salt test, my big digital was at 78% (+3) and the small one was at 83% (+8) Both maintained this for several hours after the test, so I was sure the bag was at 75%.

I was really shocked at the small digital at +8%, that is alot of compensate. At least with the big digital, I know I was around 70-71% after compensating the 3%.

However, ironically I put both digital guages in my humidor and after the weekend they were within 2% of eachother! The larger one reading about what it always had (73%), but now the smaller one reading about 75%. So I have no clue what to compensate at anymore ???

I realize I won't have a 100% truly perfect hygrometer and certainly not two that read the same. But I'd like to be close so I know what my real humidity is. BTW, the temperature readings were right on with both digitals.

Also, what's the deal with analog hygrometers? What causes the needle to "spring" back if I try and turn it? Obviously, I feel I broke mine by turning to much to where it doesn't register anything.

Lastly, what is the easiest way to maintain proper temp and humidity? I live near Miami, so it is hot and humid alot. Last week, my temp inside my humidor was about that of my house, 76 degrees. I realize this is alittle high, but how do I lower the temp inside the humidor? The past couple days, it has been in the 50s at night, so the humidor was in the 60s, which was nice, but it goes up during the day.

I also haven't re-filled my humidifiers in my big humidor since I've had it now, for two weeks. I used distilled water and they feel light now, but I guess I should wait until my humidity level drops into the low 60s? Is this also because of the humidity developed by wiping down the humidor initially and the cigars holding it?

How often should I expect to fill the humidifiers?

Thanks
 
Aside from a certified instrument, one that has passed calibration in a metrology lab, there isn't a hygrometer on the PLANET that I trust. Most off the shelf digital devices boast a +/- 2% accuracy and I don't discount that. However, take any 5 of the same unit and place them in the same environment and I'll bet a paycheck that maybe 2 of the will be within 2% of each other.

That said, there IS a safe bet. Heartfelt Industries Beads

With them in place, humidity is a safe bet. Use your hygrometer for a relative reading. In other words, use the hygrometer to tell you when you need to add moisture to the beads.
 
:0 Good lord man! Someone buy him some ice.. LOL
I would realy like to help you out on the heat issue but you do need to get that down. You are approaching bug temperature if it holds for a while.
I hope someone else from down there helps you out. I am in Ohio and most of the time I am trying to keep mine warm. LOL
I have always been a fan of 60-65% for my cabinet. My smokes seem to just be better at that RH.
Please no matter what you hear(everyone here will back me up on this)you are NOT to wipe down the inside of you humi with anything!! EVER. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Use only distilled water or 50-50 solution in your humidifiers. I myself have not moved to beads yet since I have an active humidifier but everyone swears by them.
As far as a hygrometer the one sold at cigarpass's store sounds like it works well.
Good luck and I hope I helped.
DarrenR
 
I would realy like to help you out on the heat issue but you do need to get that down. You are approaching bug temperature if it holds for a while.

What do most of you do to keep the temperature lower? My humidor is in a dark room (it's actually in a guest bedroom with the hurricane shutters closed). So it is really dark. The house temperature is about 76-77 degrees. The humidor is in a corner of the room, but is a A/C room.

I was in central Florida this weekend and it was about 48 degrees outside at night. When I got up, my travel humidor was at 68 degrees with about 70% humidity.

How do you keep the temperature down around 70 degrees or lower in the humidor?
 
:0 I don't want to scare you about the bugs. 80 degrees is the hatching temp so you just want to try to stay below that. Your in Florida so you do not have a basement to stick it in. So, I am not sure how to help you regulate the temp swings. Huge swings are not good for the stogies.
Here is a link to a very comprehensive FAQ from the ICG (Internet Cigar Group)
Maybe it will help. http://www.cigargroup.com/faq

DarrenR
 
It sounds like you didnt salt test them long enough to me. I dont know how long, but you said a couple of hours. When I did the salt test for my hygrometer I left it in container for 24hrs. Be sure to use an airtight tupperware container or something similiar instead of a ziplock bag. I had big swings in humidity between 12 and 24 hrs. It sounds like they were both fairly close since you left them in the humi over the weekend.

As far as keeping them cool in the summer check out this thread. A lot of the guys from Florida chimed in here and they are probably some of the only ones who can relate to your situation. I know many of the guys here live in cooler climates so we raelly dont have to mess with it. Hope this helps.

If you dont find an answer in the thread then I would pm one of the guys who lives in Florida. I am sure they would be glad to offer any help they can.

Brandon

edit to add:
If you are not scared of beetlees already maybe this picture will scare you a little bit. ??? Scroll down to the bottom of the page.
 
Thanks for the help.... I'll check out the faq and I did read the thread on keeping the cigars cool. That was good info and I like the ice pack methode.

Hoja, I did have it in for 24 hours. I think I was referring to checking on the baggie after a couple hours. I followed instructions on another website (salt in cap, 4 drops distilled water and seal in baggie, place that in second baggie to be sure and leave for 24 hours). The first time I did it, the inside of the first baggie fogged up at one point and had condensation built up. The humidity went up to 99%, then came down and leveled out at 78% on my big digital and 83% on my small digital. OH... That is what I referred to.... After the 24 hours, I watched the guages and even after "a couple" hours, they stayed maintained at the 78% & 83%.

I am interested in the beads. I've seen them for 60% and 70% humidity. With the beads, do you just wet those and put them in the humidor and not need the other humidifiers, etc?
 
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Also, what's the deal with analog hygrometers? What causes the needle to "spring" back if I try and turn it? Obviously, I feel I broke mine by turning to much to where it doesn't register anything.

answer: the screw on the analogue your turning will not calibrate it. Try prying off the staineless steel backer (like a watch). then you will have to turn the components manually, using your thumb and finger, so the needle moves. It can be calibrated, just have to locate the right piece to turn.
 
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Also, what's the deal with analog hygrometers? What causes the needle to "spring" back if I try and turn it? Obviously, I feel I broke mine by turning to much to where it doesn't register anything.

answer: the screw on the analogue your turning will not calibrate it. Try prying off the staineless steel backer (like a watch). then you will have to turn the components manually, using your thumb and finger, so the needle moves. It can be calibrated, just have to locate the right piece to turn.

I've not heard that one, but what the hell. I have nothing to lose on two that I already own.
 
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