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Getting back into Pipes

Rod

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Every year around this time when the weather becomes cooler, I tend to get back into pipe smoking. I lit up a bowl last night, and it was tasting pretty good. About 15 min into it, I started getting a really sour taste. Then it began "biting" my tongue. What am I doing wrong? Also, as you smoke the pipe, do you leave the ashes in the bowl and empty only when you're done; or do you attempt to "ash" the pipe as you smoke it?

Thanks,
Rod
 
Sounds like a little swelling from the heat is causing you to bite your tounge. Loooooook out here it comes - You got a case of burnt toungeeeeee........... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

By the way I never emptied my ashes until I was finished!!!!

Don't you know those things burn tounges!!!!! :sign:
 
Every year around this time when the weather becomes cooler, I tend to get back into pipe smoking. I lit up a bowl last night, and it was tasting pretty good. About 15 min into it, I started getting a really sour taste. Then it began "biting" my tongue. What am I doing wrong? Also, as you smoke the pipe, do you leave the ashes in the bowl and empty only when you're done; or do you attempt to "ash" the pipe as you smoke it?

Thanks,
Rod
Did you clean the pipe before you last put it away? That might be the "sour" taste you encountered. "Tongue bite" can be caused by a number of things such as:
1. Virginia blends tend to bite as a matter of course, unless you're a very slow and gentle puffer.
2. Aromatics, because of their higher moisture content, can generate steam which is much hotter than a mix of smoke and air, and might be felt as "bite".
3. Packed too loose, higher burn rate, esp. with #2.
4. Packed too tight, harder puffing, or more frequent puffing, leading to higher temps, leading to "ouch".
5. Non-aromatic tobacco, if too moist, can produce steam like #2.
6. Some combination of the above.

If the pipe gets too hot to hold, it's too hot to smoke. When packed, before being lit, the draw should feel like sucking water thru a straw; tighter or looser, see above.

YMMV. :)
 
Great info! I can relate to a couple of the points you made. :) I'll make the proper adjustments and give it another try. Thanks! :)
 
I ash a couple of times and then re-tamp the tobacco to the firmness and draw that I like.
But to each his own. Enjoy!


L/W
 
Welcome back to pipes Rod :)

Not sure about the sour taste, but I've had bad issues with the Tongue Bite before.

psyktek well stated what I would say. It just takes some practice getting the feel of the right pack. Don't give up!!!

Oh, and I usually ash my bowl 2 or 3 times throughout the smoke.
 
Being a relative Noob to pipes, this can be taken with a grain of salt, but here goes:
  1. The Ash - I've been told the tobacco will burn smoother and slower if there's a slight bed of ashes on top of it. I have found that the majority of my best smokes have had a nice ash on top. I never "ash" the pipe (intentionally).
  2. The Pack - I've read many comparisons from "purse your lips like you're gonna whistle, and then suck in instead of blowing out" to "water or milkshake through a straw". The best I can seem to come up with is pack a pipe to mimic the same draw as a nice cigar. Remember, every different cut of pipe tobacco will pack differently. Flake takes a whole bunch of practice, Dark Bird's Eye (I call it Bird's Nest) is one of the hardest to pack properly.
  3. The scalding of the tongue - Almost all tobaccos that are fit to smoke will contain some moisture, and obviously one of the byproducts of combustion is H2O at high temps (hence steam). Slow down is usually the answer. I find that many cigar smokers puff on the pipe too fast and hard and sure as there's shit in a dead cat, I'm guilty of that unless I consiously keep it to a slow pace. I have an issue smoking pure Virginias in a standard pipe. Last week, I got 2 Savinelli Dry System pipes from an E-Bay win and they're great for Virginias.
  4. The Sour Taste - I think maybe pstktek hit it on the head, maybe the pipe wasn't cleaned properly. Try a few pipe cleaners soaked in alcohol.
Hope the above helps a little.

EDIT to add:

Humidity levels - The vast majority of cigar smokers are anal about the humidity in their storages, and I feel pipe 'baccy should be no different. With cigars, some say 65%, some say 70%, some say 62%, etc, yadda, etc. Just a matter of personal smoking preference. Pipe tobaccy seems to come with extremely high humidity levels. I opened a can of McClalland's Dark Star and it actually felt soggy. I took a small hygrometer (-2% on a salt test) and put in the can; it read 84%. IMHO, there's no way to smoke this goop. I dried it to about 65% and it was fine. I had some Dark Bird's Eye and it smoked great at 62% (same hygrometer). So check your humidity and see what it reads. If you're higher than 70%, it may be too damp and you're probably puffing too fast and hard trying to keep it lit, hence the scalding.
 
I lit up a bowl last night, and it was tasting pretty good. About 15 min into it, I started getting a really sour taste. Then it began "biting" my tongue. What am I doing wrong? Also, as you smoke the pipe, do you leave the ashes in the bowl and empty only when you're done; or do you attempt to "ash" the pipe as you smoke it?

Most virginias will naturally smoke hot and bitey, as do most aromatics. Humidity can have a huge effect on this though so you might want to check your humidity also. The wetter Virginia's and Aromatics are, the more likely they are to be harsh/bite.
Anything over about 30 to 40 percent is just asking to be bit in my experience. Remember, pipe tobacco is NOT humidity dependent like cigars are. Pipe weed is meant to be smoked a good bit drier.

You may also need to give your pipe a good cleaning if you didn't do it when you retired them last year. The "The Professor's Pipe-Sweetening Treatment" works best for this in my experience.
You might need to do it a few times to get it completely clean. I clean mine in 24hr cycles, but I live on the Colorado front range and humidity isn't a problem here, even on rainy days, so they dry out pretty fast.

Be sure you check the thickness on the cake before you begin to clean. If you ream it down to about the thickness of a dime, this will help speed things along when cleaning. However, less cake means a hotter smoke and more risk to the pipe from heat damage though so don't remove the cake entirely. Cake is your friend.
A "butner reamer" is the best tool for this in my experience, but there are several other types as well.

A few of things to be aware of;
1. Don't be afraid to soak the hell out of the salt.
The more alcohol you use, the longer things will take to dry, HOWEVER you'll also draw out more of the nasty rancid crap quicker by using more alcohol.
2. Use the highest proof hooch you can get your hands on. I use everclear usually, but I also use Captain Morgan occasionally just for the hell of it. Again, this will help draw more of the nasty crap out in a quicker time.
3. Avoid getting alcohol on the bowl or shank finish, it'll take the wax right off and really jack up the finish on some the less expensive pipes, and on some of the older ones as well. If you accidently slop some on the outside wipe it off stat.
4. Don't use regular old table salt. I recommend using only Kosher salt personally. Table salt has iodine in it- as do some sea salts, read the label or use Kosher only, and will leave a *REALLY* fugly taste in the pipe. (Guess what you gotta do to get rid of it...Salt Treatment with Kosher salt ;) )
5. After the salt treatments come out clear, disassemble the pipe and clean, clean, clean with pipe cleaners to get all the little bits of salt out of the pipe. I can tell you from experience that it's really sucks drawing bits of salt during a smoke.

The actual treatment part is straightforward. Just clean, dump, and re-clean (with fresh salt every time!) until the salt comes out clear. It can take several cleanings if you've never cleaned the pipe before.

Once they're clean, it's a good idea to work out a regular cleaning schedule just to speed things up later, but I know from experience this can be a PITA if you only have a couple pipes like I do.

I usually salt clean mine once every couple of months, then run a pipe cleaner soaked in Captain Morgan (any good hooch will work fine) through it a few times to sweeten things up.
Be sure to let the pipe dry completely before reassembling and smoking it. Again, that will depend on the ambient humidity in your area.

One last note on the sour taste, try running a dry pipe cleaner down the shank while smoking. This will soak up the saliva and jucies that build up in the bottom of the pipe, usually only a problem with bents, and make for a gentler smoke as well.

Also keep an eye on how fast you're puffing. more than a couple of times per minutecan really heat things up and make for a harsh smoke.

As far as the ash goes, you can ash if you want. It's not really bad per se, it's just not really recommended or even necessary.
By leaving the ash alone it covers the firehead and helps maintain a cooler smoke.
 
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