emodx said:
Ginseng said:
Right. Let me clarify.
1. Several niggling little things that could be artifacts of interpretation, imaging or normal variation
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2. A few details that are more firm and suggestive (the appearance of triple cap)
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3. One detail that is irrefutably and quantifiably different
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damn near close to "beyond a reasonable doubt"
Unfortunately, so far only one other person has counted the loops on his inserts and reported the findings (privately). All of his had 24 loops as well. If tomorrow I were to receive a box with an insert that had anything other than 24 loops, I would issue a general request for people to check their stock and report their situations as well. It would be the weight of that evidence that would lead me to consider this final detail either conclusive or not.
Counterfeiters count on silence and secrecy to obfuscate their operations. It is our responsibility to shed light on notable observations and thus protect ourselves and the other members of our community.
Wilkey
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I don't know the original poster of this thread, hence this comment. Why are we giving this fella in depth w/o knowing him first. Not saying he is crooked or anything, but a lot of this info should be in PM's. If a counterfeiter isnt smart enough to get it right, why should we give him all the answers in a public forum? Personally I think the thread should be deleted.
Emo
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Emo,
I emphatically disagree.
The war against counterfeiters is an arms race. More precisely, the stakes are the
dollars of Habanos buyers and the weapons are
knowledge. Furthermore, it is a battle where the stakes increase and weapons improve with each passing year. If general knowledge can be found at a site like CigarNexus, then there is no more appropriate place to scrutinize and dissect these issues in depth than a specialty community such as CigarPass.
I understand the basis for your reticence. Why should we reveal the weaknesses in their fakery so that they can fix those flaws? Two reasons.
First, counterfeiters are getting better and better all the time. The best fakes today are damn near indistinguishable from authentic smokes in almost every physical (presmoke) detail. So, we can expect that they will continue to improve.
Second, consistent with the stated ethic of "reading more and posting less" where would the newcomers and the inexperienced go to learn the things we are discussing if communications were confined to PM's? Furthermore, our brothers and potential brothers are already throwing away hard-earned dollars on these things. I'd guess that for every one that publicly seeks guidance, there are at least a half dozen who do not because of shame and fear of ridicule.
It is precisely the newcomers and uninitiated that I feel the most affinity and compassion for because they are not "in the know." And as for PM's, I have taken it there. One senior member shared his assessment with me and another has still not responded. I have had PM exchanges with other contemporaries that add to my ability to draw the conclusions I've made. There is certainly a place for PM's as well as open postings. In this case, both channels are being used appropriately and constructively.
Wilkey
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