Tabacalera Perdomo Inventory Blowout!

ggiese said:

TWCigars is looking to drum up business - PERIOD... I think we can all agree on that. Maarit's not in here posting congrats or happy birthday's to any of the members. Until such time, TW is fair game for criticism. They've not established themselves on this board (or any other, for that matter) as being good and kind in their service or attitude - maybe in individuals minds, but not as a whole.

If TW is overcharging on ANY of their cigars - I don't think it's out of line for ANYONE to point it out. And I, for one, find it VERY distasteful that the retailer would call the person who calls them on it "in need of professional help."

If it were me in TW's position, I would give an honest explanation for my pricing. I hear through the grapevine that Maarit states she must obtain her Opus cigars she sells from other retailers - she does not get them from Fuente. I would make sense she would have to charge a premium for them. Okay, Maarit - explain it that way and leave it for the audience to decide whether you're gouging or not - or if they want to purchase your overpriced Opus cigars.

I have to be honest - I'm glad KB was posting what TW was doing. And I'm glad he's making other BOTL's at other boards aware of it too. I'll make my own choices of whether or not I choose to do business with them based upon two things - 1) price/value and 2) customer service. At least for the Opus X's - and responses to KB (and others I've heard Maarit has messaged also), I'm not impressed with either. Okay - so why is that such a hard concept for others to understand?

All of the others that jumped on the messenger for the message (Neuromance, et al) - take a step back. Maarit - I'd be more than happy to hear your explanation - in public for all to see - not in private PM's lambasting established members. If you have a problem with that - I'd suggest there's something fishy going on...

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Well put.

I too am wondering why this is such a hard concept to understand myself.

I'd also love to hear a logical explanation from TWCigars and have been waiting for one since they were called out on cigarsmokers on 10/06/05 :0

And IF the explanation they give was what ggiese heard through the grapveine, why couldn't they just have said that all along instead of the unprofessional route they took with KB?

Leebo8-9-8 said:

Here's what bugs me, and it's my opinion so I don't care what anybody else thinks about it....

It really sticks in my craw that day after day the new guys roll on in here and other boards, and post these kind of posts. Why do they do it? I'll tell you why! They want it all and they want it now.

These are the ones who don't value getting to know people, getting in on the good stuff, you know....earning it. These guys want Opus, so what do they do? They feed the gougers! And then when someone encourages them not to, they post all this **** trying to justify it!

To put it boldly, anyone who does supports the gougers is a dumba$$! It's just like crack, it wouldn't be a problem if people weren't buying the crap!

I would suggest some of you get your entitled head out of your a$$ and try to earn a little something around here! Until you do, keep your gouging bs to yourselves...

Rant off

I don't like newbs with attitudes.... :angry2:

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No disrespect intended.

This is why there are Fogs, Thet are the more experienced and savy ones to the board. They are the ones that are suppose to point out the scams and point the newbies in the correct direction.

No. I am not saying you have to give uo your private sources. No one realy ever wants to. But newbies need guidance and information that they are lacking. This is why they are out here.Point them towards the reference thread this board has on OPUS.

As for his Opus prices. I didnt pay them. But there are people who have never had one and realy dont care how much they are to get them. Unless there is someone who is going to step up abd sell them all at MSRP they are going to buy from someone at this price.

I have boughten aged Habanos at huge prices and people would think I am crazy. The vendor didnt force me. It was my choice.I realy didnt care if I want it I am going to get it. This board has one of the best reference pages on Opus and Padrons I have ever seen. If they havent read that by now. They are just cruising and deserve to pay those prices. If they have read it and still wish to buy at these preces. So be it.

As for the flaming as it is called. It is ridiculous. Everyone is flaming everyone over a vendor who no one will probably buy the OPus from anyway. Howver he did have a good deal on the Padron 40s at $25.00. I guess thats why there are so many vendors out there.

To give us our own choices on where to go.


YES! YES ! and Klugsy the photo. I thought you were looking for the aged stuff. What happened ?

KayakinBoy said:

As for getting opus at MSRP, yeah, you can do it online. It's not hard. Since Seangar doesn't care about opus, why do you want sources for it?

... I first started smoking over a year ago, and since then,

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I wanted a source for YOU ... so you could get them at MSRP and stop whining about a retailer that uses the concept of "free market economy" to sell cigars. You want everything at list, I'm sure there are some communist countries that would suit your delicate temperment.

Not over a whole year! Had I known of your extensive experience I would have imediately bowed down and worshiped your immense knowledge.

SeanGAR said:

KayakinBoy said:

As for getting opus at MSRP, yeah, you can do it online. It's not hard. Since Seangar doesn't care about opus, why do you want sources for it?

... I first started smoking over a year ago, and since then,

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I wanted a source for YOU ... so you could get them at MSRP and stop whining about a retailer that uses the concept of "free market economy" to sell cigars. You want everything at list, I'm sure there are some communist countries that would suit your delicate temperment.

Not over a whole year! Had I known of your extensive experience I would have imediately bowed down and worshiped your immense knowledge.

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Sean - ClubStogie does things a bit differently than here - that's for sure. I realize you're upset about the way KB came in there and posted his views on TW. Obviously we're a bit more vocal here...

What's interesting is you coming in here and are being very vocal. I'm glad you're voicing your opinion. Unfortunately your wealth of experience on this board is very telling. If you've come here to debate the issues with KB - enjoy. If you've come with the sole purpose of causing a flame war, I'd suggest the site admin here won't be particularly happy with you... Rod's recent message...

Besides - if you're going to come over here from ClubStogie - bring pictures like Dave did!!!

SeanGAR said:

KayakinBoy said:

As for getting opus at MSRP, yeah, you can do it online. It's not hard. Since Seangar doesn't care about opus, why do you want sources for it?

... I first started smoking over a year ago, and since then,

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I wanted a source for YOU ... so you could get them at MSRP and stop whining about a retailer that uses the concept of "free market economy" to sell cigars. You want everything at list, I'm sure there are some communist countries that would suit your delicate temperment.

Not over a whole year! Had I known of your extensive experience I would have imediately bowed down and worshiped your immense knowledge.

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Wow, take something and run with it why don't you! How in the hell did I say I think every retailer should have the same price? What about states individual tobacco taxes? State taxes? Of course they can not be all the same.

It's simple, TWCigars rips off those who can't help it. Most of the people here (including me) have bought opus for 30 dollars and now kick themselves for it, because they were shown great places to shop and great friends to help them.

The people that understand what my intentions were in the first place get it. The rest of you that joined the board (or started posting just to fight) should pack it up. this is getting old.

A fellow BOTL just hooked me up with an "Online Retailer" and I got Opus for roughly $.50 over MSRP each stick.
Needless to say I spent my months cigar allowance and obliterated their stock room. :laugh:

As for you Neuromancer its obvious you just can't leave well enough alone. If I remember right you were told by Rod not to pull your BS on this board. Here we are less than 5 weeks later and your at it again.

Now I'm bored.


Rich

You want an answer I'll give you one...

We received a few boxes of Opus only after we had numerous requests for them and due to the fact that we are not a Fuente dealer we did indeed have to mark up the prices. The customers who requested them, knew we wouldn't sell them at msrp.. When I was gone contacting my list of customers, I posted online so if anyone wanted one, they could get one... It's that simple..

Now as far as Kayak... He originally emailed me on 10/7/05 with his complaints. You can read my reply...

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From: J Crowder
To: info@tobaccoworldcigars.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: TobaccoWorldCigars.com - Opus X & Padron 40th Anniversary

Mr. Crowder,

Thank you for your email and honest opinion. We are not ripping people off as we are competitve with more than the 20 or so other online retailers we compared our prices to. If you do a search on Yahoo or MSN, you will also find those websites. The only difference after calling the companies that list it on their site for sale is that we have it ready to ship and not on backorder. Send me a link to a company that sells them online for msrp and has them in stock and then we will consider a re-price of the sticks.

No one is forcing anyone to buy the cigars we are offering online and if you have a local B&M that has them for less than please support them with your business and refer them to your friends. Cigar shops are a diamond in the rough now a days, so whether you buy from us or them just show your support.

We offer great pricing on all of our other cigars and yet I can't seem to find an order with your last name on it within the last 12 months. If you were a regular customer of ours and did business with us every so often, you would end up getting better deals. We take care of our loyal customers.. And the only way to find out about our great service is to try us at least once, even if it's just a $2 stick.

If you have any other questions or comments, don't hesitate to contact me.

Have a nice weekend and take care..

Maarit
http://www.tobaccoworldcigars.com


Now can someone explain to me WHY Kayak took it upon himself to do what he did? Because I would really like to know what I said in my original email to set him off...

How come you never responded here in the first post about opus being too high?

There were also thoughts that you scanned Cigar BB's looking for e-mail addys. Which makes sense, since you send I've never ordered from you, but yet I'm on your e-mailing list?

Since you never responded to the posts and you decided to go posting about having opus, I posted on here CigarSmokers, and Club stogie, trying to protect those who didn't know the "real" price on opus x cigars.

And since you had a customer list already for opus, why did you feel the need to post about it on three different boards?

TW, it's retailers like you, that cause fuente not to sell to online dealers.

Obviously this is never going to end Kayak... So with that said, I will continue to post on whatever site I am a member of and you can continue to stalk every post I make if you really believe you are helping everyone...

Have a good day!

TWCIGARS said:

----- Original Message -----
From: J Crowder
To: info@tobaccoworldcigars.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: TobaccoWorldCigars.com - Opus X & Padron 40th Anniversary

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if you are gunna make up e-mails, get the to and from right.

I'm sorry... I'm a little tired, must have copied and pasted the wrong field... The email is still the TRUTH... Get over it over Kayak.. Go to class and get your business degree so you can open up your own business one day and deal with someone just like yourself when they don't like your prices...

Now let's drop this.. You're just wasting your breath as far as I'm concerned.. And this is my last post regarding this.. So if you want to rant and rave please continue.. I'm sure the rest of the members on this board really appreciate it all..

Sorry no newbies from here got gouged by you.

KayakinBoy said:

The people that understand what my intentions were in the first place get it. The rest of you that joined the board (or started posting just to fight) should pack it up. this is getting old.

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1. I joined this board before you did.

2. I did not post to start a fight - the ignorant comments about CS elicited my posts. Normally I just ignore stupid people, but in this case I made an exception.

3. Your complete and utter lack of understanding of "free market economy" makes me wonder where you have lived all these years.

4. The fact that you take it upon yourself to state the obvious (Opus at TW are well over MSRP) makes me wonder about your knowledge of the cigar market and its dynamics. Nobody on CS needs you to go over there to state the obvious. They need that help here, great ... go wild.

5. I'm still waiting for the Opus X at list. Given your bad attitude, I'll have to ask for you to send your end first.

Have a nice day.

TWCIGARS said:

Now can someone explain to me WHY Kayak took it upon himself to do what he did? Because I would really like to know what I said in my original email to set him off...

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The bottom line is, if you STILL need to ask this question, you just don't get it.

1. I joined this board before you did.

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But you never comtributed

2. I did not post to start a fight - the ignorant comments about CS elicited my posts. Normally I just ignore stupid people, but in this case I made an exception.

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I never trashed club stogie

3. Your complete and utter lack of understanding of "free market economy" makes me wonder where you have lived all these years.

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Tennessee, and no I'm not a Commie like members of CS stated.

4. The fact that you take it upon yourself to state the obvious (Opus at TW are well over MSRP) makes me wonder about your knowledge of the cigar market and its dynamics. Nobody on CS needs you to go over there to state the obvious. They need that help here, great ... go wild.

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I think I know a little bit about the cigar market. How do you know what people needed to be warned and not warned? I was looking out for the newbies, not the FOGs like you.

5. I'm still waiting for the Opus X at list. Given your bad attitude, I'll have to ask for you to send your end first.

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LOL! I'm sorry, we don't have a point scale here to change member titles! :laugh:

Typed so fast I mispelled my home state!

Don't feed the gougers and trolls....

Amen Lee

Not trying to troll, nor do I need the last word but...

KayakinBoy said:

TWCIGARS said:

Now can someone explain to me WHY Kayak took it upon himself to do what he did? Because I would really like to know what I said in my original email to set him off...

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The bottom line is, if you STILL need to ask this question, you just don't get it.

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and the fact that you don't understand why the way you've approached this was inappropriate shocks me too...

The hipocrisy is amazing(and I say this not directly to KB, but to any who it may be applicable to) - you can't chase one retailer around the web crying "Gouger" and then leave all other folks who charge in excess of MSRP(or even fair and customary prices) alone, in the name of 'protecting newbs.'

That just does not ring true when you have voiced support of other retailers(for various reasons) who also engage in this practice.

KB, Maarit did not solicit your opinion on her prices in this thread(or any other), you provided it in a very rude(possibly defamatory - in conflict with the rules on THIS board) manner, and have been chasing her all over the internet doing the same - present your opinion that the prices are high and let it be.

Ironworker - ClubStogie did not do anything to solicit or deserve your For the record statement. TW has been good to the members at CS and has earned the support of people I, and many others, respect. Your insult to me(and my friends) is what garnered my attention and inspired me to post, not KB's rude behavior towards TW.

Leebo - I appreciate your opinion and the value you place in it, but I respectfully disagree. I don't think any Newbs came onto your turn looking for any type of handout, or having fed any 'gougers.' I am not interested in 'earning' anything around here - what I want is readily availible(information). 'To put it boldly' your 'rant' serves little purpose, in my mind, other than to expose your character, which I haven't found to be impressive.

ggiese said:

If TW is overcharging on ANY of their cigars - I don't think it's out of line for ANYONE to point it out. And I, for one, find it VERY distasteful that the retailer would call the person who calls them on it "in need of professional help."

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Maarit's response was not to KB's pointing out his disagreement with the pricing, but rather due to his pattern of behavior - I hope I don't need to describe it again.



Again, just to reiterate my position

KB - distateful, inappropriate in my mind, but not in others, so on the whole I'd say not out of line

Ironworker - rude, insulting to a large group with a sweeping generalization - I think YOU should apologize, and were I the moderator I would request that from you

Leebo - hey, you got your opinion, I got mine

GG - I appreciate that you are tryign to look at this from a rational point of view, if you care to hear Maarit's side of the story, I'm sure she would be more than willing to share.

Nooner, this is the way this type of thing is handled. If that bothers you, I would suggest you avoid these kinds of threads as we certainly don't plan on changing the way we handle things on your account.

Lumberg said:

kro77 said:

However I would say his Padron prices are legit. Not sure if he sold out, but for me cheaper then buying in state with the taxes. So half bad and half good with these folks? Not sure.

- K

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There are plenty of other well known retailers that have legit prices on Padrons. I don't know anything about this guy, but I know of other places that have good prices on Padrons, that come with ringing endorsement.

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Could anyone refer me to some padron online retailers via PM. Have not found many that have the anniversary stuff.

Thanks,

- K